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To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

Last post 12-12-2008 7:49 AM by Heather. 8 replies.
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  • 11-11-2008 5:38 PM

    To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

    I have a 5 year old mare and I don't know whether I should breed her or not. I want to have a foal, but I don't know anything about breeding or if you can even ride the mare while she is in early pregnancy. What is the maximum breeding age? I want to know if I can wait a few years before I breed her. I have a cousin who's a vet so I can get her help too-she actually trained my mare. I am going to research dominant colors and patterens and stuff too. I would like to have a blanket foal, but that's not too important.Big Smile My mare is a bay varnish roan so I will see if roan or blanket is dominant. Please give me suggestions and informationd on breeding...Thanks!!! Wink

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  • 11-11-2008 6:16 PM In reply to

    Re: To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

    My suggestion is to buy a foal.  You can get a really amazing foal for cheap right now.  If you breed your mare, you will spend thousands more on the healthcare of the mare during the pregnancy.  

    If you did breed your mare, I would highly suggest boarding her at an experienced breeder's facility (which will cost more money).  Since you have no experience breeding, I would not leave it up to "nature" to take care of business.  Find an experienced breeder to board and take care of your mare during the pregnancy.   It is more complicated than you think, and being a maiden mare, you run the risk of complications which you must be prepared to handle.  Not only can you run into health complications, but you must be prepared to handle any complications after birth such as if the mare rejects the foal and you will want to know how to imprint.  I HIGHLY recommend bringing your mare to an experienced breeder and being as involved in the process as possible to learn.  If you don't care about the money, then this is the ONLY way I would advise breeding your mare.

    As for your other questions, mares can be bred well into their years.  5 years old is quite young and I really wouln't have bred her at any younger age anyway.  My mare had her first foal this year at 10 years old.  She was fine.  The older the mare is for the first pregnancy, though, the more risk you are taking.  

    I rode Rizzie up to about a month before foaling.  The only reason I stopped was because riding her just wasn't worth it anymore.  I could only walk/trot her because she was just so tired and didn't want to move.  I don't blame her!  But a mare who is used to being worked will be fine to ride throughout the pregnancy.  Absolutely no jumping after 3 months, and no cantering after 10 months (its really not worth it anyway because your mare just won't feel like moving).  As she gets bigger, you want to keep cantering to long stretches (as opposed to small circles).  Small circles require more collection and engagement of the hocks.  My trainer has known of a mare who smashed a hoof into her belly and ripped the uterus wall or something and lost the foal.  I'm not a breeder, so I don't know the details but these were my limits with Rizzie per my trainer.   

    Also, riding and exercise during pregnancy is good for the foal.  It will force the foal to move around which will help encourage straight legs when they are born.   

    Hope this was a little helpful.  I really think you should just buy a foal!  Then you know exactly what you are getting and it will be exactly what you want!
    *~Nicole~*
  • 11-12-2008 7:27 AM In reply to

    Re: To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

    What Nicole said.  There are too many babies out there that need you, and if you're going to spend the money anyway, why not get what you want?  Especially when it comes to Apps where the color/coat pattern is sooooo complex.  Your Grace is a beautiful Varnish Roan btw. 

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  • 11-12-2008 10:18 AM In reply to

    Re: To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

    These are all great questions to ask your vet or an experienced breeder friend.

    May I reccomend a book? Blessed are the Broodmares..This was and still is my bible and we've been breeding for 6 years.

    Breed for thr right reasons..the betterment of the breed. evaluate your mare's conformation, temperment, bloodlines and ability and breed to better what you have.

    And remember..its cheaper to buy a foal then to produce one. :)



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  • 11-12-2008 11:15 AM In reply to

    Re: To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

    "My suggestion is to buy a foal.  You can get a really amazing foal for cheap right now.  If you breed your mare, you will spend thousands more on the healthcare of the mare during the pregnancy.  


    "If you did breed your mare, I would highly suggest boarding her at an experienced breeder's facility (which will cost more money).  Since you have no experience breeding, I would not leave it up to "nature" to take care of business.  Find an experienced breeder to board and take care of your mare during the pregnancy.   It is more complicated than you think, and being a maiden mare, you run the risk of complications which you must be prepared to handle.  Not only can you run into health complications, but you must be prepared to handle any complications after birth such as if the mare rejects the foal and you will want to know how to imprint.  I HIGHLY recommend bringing your mare to an experienced breeder and being as involved in the process as possible to learn.  If you don't care about the money, then this is the ONLY way I would advise breeding your mare."

     

    I'm a little confused. I don't mean to be offensive, but why are you recommending that she not breed, when that is what you did yourself? Are you in the business of breeding? Or are you saying that your own decision to breed was a mistake or some kind of special circumstance?

    Could you also give some details of where the "thousands" of dollars of cost come in the mare's pregnancy? Or did you mean that to also cover the first 3 years of the foal's life, when it's not really ridable?

    Again, I apologize for not being able to put this in the most diplomatic way. I don't mean to insult you or challenge you at all. I tend to agree with your argument that for the average person, buying has a lot more to recommend it than breeding. I'd just like to know what you see as the differences between your own situation and hers. And I'd defintely like to know more about the cost aspect.

  • 11-13-2008 10:02 PM In reply to

    Re: To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

    My Gracie:

    I'm a little confused. I don't mean to be offensive, but why are you recommending that she not breed, when that is what you did yourself? Are you in the business of breeding? Or are you saying that your own decision to breed was a mistake or some kind of special circumstance?

    Could you also give some details of where the "thousands" of dollars of cost come in the mare's pregnancy? Or did you mean that to also cover the first 3 years of the foal's life, when it's not really ridable?

    Again, I apologize for not being able to put this in the most diplomatic way. I don't mean to insult you or challenge you at all. I tend to agree with your argument that for the average person, buying has a lot more to recommend it than breeding. I'd just like to know what you see as the differences between your own situation and hers. And I'd defintely like to know more about the cost aspect.

    Nicole is going to be buying Rizzie.  Rizzie was bred by her current owner, who is a breeder. 

    As far as cost goes there is all the exams, shots, vet coming out at birth and possible problems that can ocurr during preganancy, birth and after.  That can add up quick.

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  • 11-23-2008 7:48 PM In reply to

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    Thanks for all the information. I think I'll just stick to riding and stay away from training a foal for a few more years, but I do eventually want a foal. I have been reading, researching and asking fellow horse-people things about foals and all the health- stuff. My cousin trained my horse, Grace, and is a horse vet. She can help me with knowing when to breed or buy in a few years. She has been trying to breed her arab too.

    Thanks again for all the help, I'm still open to more! Smile

    Happy Thanksgiving! (and b-day to me!)

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  • 11-23-2008 10:15 PM In reply to

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    My Gracie, 

    Sorry I should have clarified.  I did not breed Arizen. She is still owned by my trainer right now.  My trainer is breeding her until I graduate college and I'll own her in October 2009 when baby #2 is weaned.  My trainer is an experienced breeder and bred her along with all her other premium mares.  I would not have chosen to breed her at this point.  If I did, I'd send her back to my trainer to breed her because even though I've been helping with the breeding and learning a ton, I still wouldn't feel comfortable doing it on my own.  

    I don't know the exact individual costs of what she spent on breeding her foals, but I know that each foal cost about $3,000.  And she does the insemination herself and all the basic vet care for the mares.  I think that the cost includes the feeding and care for the mares along with the equipment she needed for the breeding (insemination equipment, test tubes, etc.).  She owned the stallion and the mares, so she did not have to pay a stud fee, obviously, though it may have been taken into account when determining the cost of the babies.  

    Things that went wrong this year:  One mare got an infection from how bad she got ripped up from the foaling since it was her first baby (and a VERY large one), A few mares weren't producing the right nutrient levels in their milk and the babies had to be hand fed from another mare's milk until the nutrient levels changed, One mare's motherly instincts weren't very strong and we had to encourage her in the right way so that she wouldn't reject the baby.  

    All these things cost money and take experience to handle.  Not to mention the efforts we went through to make sure the babies' legs stayed straight and sound (wrapping, dealing with injuries, feet trimming, etc.).  

    But she's a breeder.  Lets say you're not a professional breeder, like in the instance of the OP.  You're looking at stud fees (which if you're breeding for quality will be $800+ and may also require a booking fee of approx $200), vet fees for the insemination and ultrasounds or checkups, dont forget to up your feed bill because the mare is eating for two now, then if you take my advice and board her at a breeder's facility we all know how ridiculous board rates can be, and then if something goes wrong... its a LOT of money. 

    But like I said, if money isn't an issue, then the only reason not to breed is because there are already thousands of great foals out there looking for homes for very reasonable prices, which I believe is a good enough reason not to breed in the first place.  

    Hope that clarified my position a little. :)



    *~Nicole~*
  • 12-12-2008 7:49 AM In reply to

    Re: To Breed or not to Breed? I need info on breeding...

     I agree with everyone about buying a foal. I just bought myself a yearling that is really well bred and will be able to do just about anything. Big Smile she was only $500 soo it's deffinatly worth it. I hoping that maybe later on she will make it to AQHA congress!! But yeah there are alot to very nice quality foals out there that if people don't sell then they will bring them to sales. Crying good luck!!

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