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Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

Last post 02-03-2006 12:55 AM by hucknjen. 16 replies.
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  • 02-03-2006 12:55 AM

    Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

    hello i am new here and i have a question. i have a 7 year old mare Maddy who has recently aquired the Equine Herpes Virus 1. her symptoms were the neurological type with partial paralysis of the hind quarters. she can no longer get up on her own but after a week and a half she can stand on her own and walk wobbly but needs help to get up still. i was wondering if any one has gone through this with their horse and could offer some advice as the vet bills are approaching $2000 and still climbing. is there likely hope that she will basically recover at least to be a horse. we are not worried about riding her. please offer any advice on this subject as my daughter is very distrought. she just started riding her on a regular basis and is training for barrel racing.
    Dennis
  • 02-03-2006 1:10 AM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    This is going to be a long post, I'm sorry. I personally don't know much more than the average person about EHV 1. We've had many problems with EHV here in Maryland recently, at Pimlico (home of the Preakness) and the Bowie Training track. There is also confirmed EHV in a barn on the Eastern Shore. Many barns are doing self imposed quarnantines.
    The following information was written by Dr. Laura Reilly. (reillylk@vet.upenn.edu)

    Herpes myeloencephalitis is a very confusing disease, but here are a few important facts:

    1. The cause is equine herpes virus 1 (EHV1), which can also cause respiratory signs and abortions. It is also known as rhinopneumonitis.

    2. The virus is shed in respiratory secretions, and horses get it by inhaling the virus or from contaminated objects such as buckets, tack, etc.

    3. On a farm, you may have just one horse or almost all of them affected. There may or may not have been known cases of respiratory disease or abortion beforehand. We don't know why some horses develop the neurological disease and others don't, but stress may play a role.

    4. The signs of the neurological form include fever, incoordination, and weakness, usually most obvious in the hind limbs. There may be weakness of the tail and difficulty urinating and defecating. The horse may go down and be unable to get up. In most cases the signs show up about a week after exposure to the virus.

    5. There is no specific treatment for EHV. Some horses recover completely, others do not, and if they are down the prognosis is poor.

    <>6. The vaccine for Rhino does not seem to prevent the neurological disease, although some vets feel it may reduce the number and severity of cases.

    So what should we be doing at our own farms?

    I think we need to think carefully about moving horses around right now.
    New horses should be investigated as to where they've been the last few weeks, and then isolated for 2 weeks (not a bad idea in any case).
    Don't let horses mingle at riding lessons, shows, etc.
    Disinfect buckets, etc if they have been used by other horses.
    Monitor horses carefully for signs of disease, and call the vet right away if you suspect a problem, so a diagnosis can be quickly made.
    Although the vaccine may not prevent the disease, we may want to booster our horses in case it could reduce the severity of illness.
    **Note that animals known to be exposed to the virus probably should not be vaccinated- it may make things worse.
    Kim Meier-Morani’s first hand account of dealing with the outbreak of EHV1 at her farm

    <>Information she wants all horseman to know.
    This time of year there are lots of vans heading south. Make certain that you know who's been on that commercial van recently, if they have disinfected the van, with what disinfectant and how long ago it was disinfected.

    <>A Virus generally cannot live outside of the body for more than 2-3 days.
    Don't accept new horses into your barn without checking to make certain that they have come from a facility free of ANY contagious disease for a period of time extending at least 3 weeks. ASK! I STUPIDLY ASSUMED I WOULD BE TOLD IF THE HORSE CAME FROM A PLACE WITH A CONFIRMED FATAL VIRUS!

    Common sense rules for bringing in any new equine:

    Take the temperature and isolate the new horse for at least 2 weeks.
    What to do if your horse has a fever?

    Contact your Veterinarian.
    <>The first sign of EHV SEEMS to be an elevated temperature, but the “rules” regarding Rhino are quite varied. I would isolate and catalog temperatures on any horses suspected of having Rhino.
    For fevers, I generally give Bute (1gm 2x/day) but you should contact your veterinarian for any temperature of 102+.

    How am I treating the horses on my farm during this epidemic? At the first sign of an elevated temperature, we give 12 (800mg?) tabs Acyclovir (sp) 3x/day. I believe this is human herpes medication. Elevated temperatures average IN MY BARN-(always assume this can vary) for 3 days. Any time during or after this phase, watch for neurological signs, such as:

    a wobbly behind
    unable to back up
    tripping behind (unable to cross legs properly) when turned slowly in small circle
    Fat hind legs may well be a pre-neuro sign
    Dragging hind toes (and front).
    <>It MAY be true that if they "go respiratory" (cough/snot) they won't "go neuro”. I don't know, but have been praying for snot and cough anyway.
    Neuro signs=BAD. At the onset of neurological signs, we begin jugging with DMSO and, gave Dexmethazone and Banamine along with the acyclovir. At the onset of neurological systems you have to plan for the worst case scenario, and it is prudent to move the affected horse(s) into an indoor/ a large shed/broodmare stall/near a big door/garage so if they go down you can get them up and out (this is gross but important-dead or alive.)

    I've had 8 horses with elevated temperatures and 3 of these horses developed neurological symptoms. The first horse that was affected on my farm went “neuro” and was put down 24 hours later. This was my daughter’s 5 yr old Pony Club horse and a terrible loss for us all. If the horse goes down and can't get up it's nearly over and hardly any make it, or so I've been told. It happens fast, so you have to pay attention.



    The second “neuro case” recovered from the fever and wobbled 24-36 hrs later. She's doing well now. Before she could not put head down to eat (no balance) so we made her a "table", and she had to be catheterized because their bladder can become paralyzed for 2-3 days.



    The third “neuro’s” early symptoms were confusing, as he began with fat hinds. In hindsight we should have DMSOed right then, but with fat legs we started with Dex and Banamine. 2-3 days later when he began exhibiting definite neurological symptoms we did DMSO. By the way, there is no proof DMSO that works, but many veterinarians will still use this drug.



    Where are we now?

    On February 2, the second “neuro case” is being weaned off drugs. She wobbled last Wed. She has access to a small paddock with 1 friend and will it will take weeks/months to (hopefully) return to normal.

    <>The “case three neuro” is better after 2 DMSO jugging days and still in the Indoor. FYI; this is my good eventer Merle, and he was the full brother to my daughters mare that had to be put down.
    Bottom line: RESPECT this disease.



    The trouble with Pimlico is that they told all track personal, etc, that the EHV1 outbreak was under control, and they allowed horses in and out of the track barns and tracks. They were even planning on racing on the 4th.

    IT IS NEVER UNDER CONTROL UNTIL AFTER THREE WEEKS OF NO SYMPTOMS ON THE ENTIRE, REPEAT ENTIRE PROPERTY.

    We don't want any more sick horses. Be notified and be careful.

    Kim Meier-Morani

    laissez faire, laissez aller, laissez passer, et laissez les bon temps roulez toute la nuit!
    www.phyxiusphotos.com Christina Dale Equine Photography
  • 02-03-2006 8:00 AM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    Thank you for all the information.

    Unluckily I think htere are many more horses sick out there then the vets know about. This explains some sudden deaths I know about. Frown
  • 02-03-2006 12:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    This is really starting to give me the heebies. We just had a mare come into the barn from Va.I never even thought about the hauler. So dumb, I can't believe I missed on that train of thought.The mare came in sunday nite (1/29). So now I know that we have to be very watchful for a few weeks.
    Thank you for the heads up, and the info info on your treatment.

    I got out of beekeeping because I was tired of becoming an amateur entomologist, and organic chemist to keep them alive.
    Looks like I went from one pan to another.
  • 02-03-2006 1:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    A big thank you from me too. I live in the "heart of Walking Horse Country" where many many horses are transported in/out of the area for breeding and showing; not to mention a few big gaited auction barns.

    This has got me to where I probably won't even travel to trail ride this year -- just ride around home. Good thing I'm old because it makes this self-imposed prison sentence easier to tolerate Frown

    I'll be having a lengthy conversation with my vet, when it's time for the horses' shots this year-----------
  • 02-03-2006 1:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    Scary. Can you (or maybe you already are) quarantine her in case she wasn't yet might might start shedding something?

    Thank you MadMare!!!

    "So now boss man, here's my 2 weeks,
    I'll make it short and sweet!" --Sugarland
  • 02-03-2006 10:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    thankyou for your posting Kim! it seems as though every horse is affected diferently by the neuro type of ehv1.some very tough decisions will have to be made on Maddy as our pockets are only so deep. please pray for maddy!!
    Dennis
  • 02-04-2006 1:46 AM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    You're welcome, but again I just cut and pasted that from an envirolog I receive, it's mostly compiled from vets. Kim is a noted eventer in MD. I'm Christina Smile I didn't realize I had left her name on the bottom of that e-mail. EHV 1 was brought to her farm by a horse that was transported to her farm from the track, to be trained in eventing.

    A very good friend of mine works at the University of Maryland in their animal sciences department, so I usually get info pretty quickly.

    I hope everybodies horses get better soon or if they aren't affected I hope EHV stays away from them.

    laissez faire, laissez aller, laissez passer, et laissez les bon temps roulez toute la nuit!
    www.phyxiusphotos.com Christina Dale Equine Photography
  • 02-08-2006 1:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

    What part of the country do you live in? Is this horse in western SD (or been around horses who have been there)?

    Rhino 1 (neurological form) (confirmed by titre of 1 to 1280) killed a mare at the barn I board at 2 weeks ago last Friday. My colt was confirmed with it by titre run by our Vet. and my other 2 also apparently had it (my Vet saw no reason to titre them as they all showed signs within 48 hrs of my colt). Our mare was the worst with 104 temps for 5 days. The Federal Vet came out 2 weeks ago last Monday and drew blood from 7 horses (3 were mine all who had been sick and the others had shown signs but only 1 had been seen by a Vet.) and sent the blood off but supposedly still has no results back - I have another call into him). Basically every horse in the barn (probably 55 head) is or has been sick. I've gone through a second round of infection of some kind (Kicks to 105.2, Doe to 104.3 and Momma Gu to 103.9) but it started dropping as soon as the second round of anitbiotics had time to 'kick in' BUT - .

    From what I have heard - it sounds like she'll make it.

    PS - a horse was found dead (and 'stiff') in his stall Monday morn. Had been up and looking fine at 8 pm Sunday night. No necropsy was done - it was sent immediately to the local 'wildlife area' who will take 'down animals' for feeding their bears/etc.
  • 02-16-2006 4:13 AM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    Thanks for posting that info. I heard today that four barns in Wisconsin are quarantined because of Neuro-Rhino. I was going to trailer into that area for a chiropractor appointment. I came on the forum just to read about this. After your post I'm staying home. I don't even want to chance it. Up until now I haven't even heard of this type of Rhino.

    I'm very sorry to hear about your daughter's horse. She must be heartbroken.
  • 02-16-2006 10:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Equine Herpes Virus 1

    We're in Maryland also and this is scaring me half to death too - we have our own barn, but we rescue, so quartine is becoming longer and longer because I'm just too scared to have anyone new come in contact with the healthy guys. At this point, I don't even want my daughter to show her horse, take the horses on trail rides incase they come in contact with other horses, nothing. They also have a case at Fair Hill now in Cecil county last I heard. I'm even nervous about the vet and farrier coming! They both do a lot of TB farms Frown
  • 02-13-2007 7:11 PM In reply to

    Re: Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

    i dont know much or anything at all about the virus all i know is a mare at our BO's barn this fall died from it... very scary virus expecially since i was the one that found the horse. as she was in will the rest of the herd.

    just a quick Q.. so is there any special ways at shows to protect us from this. i mainly show at ones with stalls available but probobly wont anymore. but i cant avoid fair being in a stall so what disenfectant can i use that works the best?
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  • 02-13-2007 8:10 PM In reply to

    Re: Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

    This is to everyone....
    Did you all vaccinate????
  • 02-13-2007 11:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

    Dennis-

    What state are you located in?

    If you prefer, you can PM me.
  • 02-14-2007 7:44 AM In reply to

    Re: Daughters horse has Equine Herpes Virus 1 HELP PLEASE!!!!!

    TMA... the original post here from Dennis is over 1 year old. Don't know if the outcome ever got posted anywhere.~FH

    "Abuse is when a human action or reaction is obviously accompanied by anger, rage or adrenaline. Proper correction and reprimand are done in silence with thoughtful intent. Your horse knows the difference." ~FloridaHorseman

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