Age to start jumping young horse

Last post 06-23-2011 9:22 AM by crittergirl. 12 replies.
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  • 05-08-2011 7:59 PM

    Age to start jumping young horse

    I have a friend that recently got a Canadian Warmblood.  The horse just turned 4 yesterday.  My friend (who is petite) is jumping her over 3 feet.  She says she only jumps every couple weeks.

    I am curious if others think this is old enough for jumping.  I think it is for small woman like this.  I wouldn't jump my horse at that age, but, I am MUCH heavier than my friend.

    What do you all think?

    Gailforce -- Another old lady rediscovering her inner cowgirl.
  • 05-09-2011 4:03 AM In reply to

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     Warmbloods tend to mature slower than a lot of other horses. Personally, if it were my horse, I wouldn't have started jump training for at least another year, just to be on the safe side. It's good to keep the rider's weight in mind, however, the bigger issue is the weight of the horse being supported by legs that haven't finished maturing. Even if it's only every now and then, 3 feet sounds like too much too soon. I believe it's better to be patient, hold off a little longer on training and have a horse that'll be healthy and sound to a ripe old age than to rush it and risk a break-down by age 10.

    "I'd sooner have that horse happy than go to heaven." -- Velvet Brown in NATIONAL VELVET
  • 05-09-2011 7:31 AM In reply to

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     I would jump a 4 year old -- occassionally and over small cross rails and stuff around 2' or so.  But that is just my personal opinion.  Many many event horses are started this way and they are certainly not lame prematurely, for the  most part, lots compete well into the late teens and 20's.



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  • 05-09-2011 7:41 AM In reply to

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    I personally don't like to start jumping-jumping (excess of 3') until a horse is at least 5. I don’t start horses over raised poles or even small jumps until they are obviously physically capable with strong canter work and fitness, usually well into their 4 yo year. Warmbloods do develop slower so for individuals with the luxury of having time and finances to have a young one "in reserve" should wait. I do understand the catch 22 however of the horse world. If trainers were to wait to train their jumper or hunter prospects until they were fully formed and ready to jump, it would be very difficult to have the horse competitive with other horses of similar age. It also is very hard to sell a horse as a jumper if they are not jumping. And it is very difficult for a new owner to buy a hunter/jumper and then wait years before being able to jump/compete - meanwhile having to take lessons on other horses or keeping a second horse in order for the rider to maintain their skill level so that when the time comes to bring a green horse along they can. Unfortunately we live in a society that sees degenerative issues as "fixable" and manageable through pills and injections. I have been blessed with the ability to keep my horses out of hard work until fully formed while still having other horses to ride. I lose money on every horse I sell because I hold on to them longer and take really good preventative care of them - however my horses will stay sound and working into their 20's and even 30's (Then there's Burgey who's 40+...)
    Katie

  • 05-09-2011 8:53 AM In reply to

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    I think a 4 y.o. is just ready for starting, and becoming a well-mannered riding horse, not for jumping. I would certainly not be jumping him until he's figured out carrying a rider. By the time that he's become a safe. steady, happy riding horse he should be ready for jumping, but don't jump him until he really understands the bridle and the aids. Four is just too soon to jump.
    Megan


    "The horse you get off is not the horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better."

    Anonymous




  • 05-10-2011 2:40 PM In reply to

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    I normally START my horses over fences when they are 4 but that isn't jumping every day maybe twice a week and nothing too extreme mostly just cross rails(X) that aren't very high. Normally when I start horses out I will put the outside of the jump completely at the top and then seperate the standards so the middle is barely off the ground. This will really make them head to the center of the jump but it's not too much stress on them, they can trot over it if they want to. Once they are good about that then I'll start doing normal cross rails and some small verticles. nothing over 2 foot. I'd wait till they are 5 or 6 to put them over anything higher. I have a 4yo QH and I'm just going to start him over fences this summer. Next year if he's doing well we will probably compete.

  • 05-11-2011 7:54 AM In reply to

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    My Oldenburg just turned 4.  We had his joints x-rayed before he was started and had a discussion with his vet as to what was ok for him to take on.  Personally, I'm not comfortable pushing him.  He's just done crossrails and I won't send him for any serious jump training until next year probably.   Then again, I'm in no hurry whatsoever to compete.  If she's discussed his growth with a vet and he's been cleared for the task, it's fine.  
  • 05-11-2011 10:55 PM In reply to

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    It is old enough for jumping but IMO not old enough to be jumping that height.  For that horse I'd be at 2'6 max, once every couple months and jumping at most once a week on cross rails and 2'.

    I recently went to a clinic of Greg Best.  I found him to be a wonderful clinician and he was asked when he started his horses jumping.  He said at age 2, if over poles on the ground and 6" high is considered jumping.  Essentially when the horse has even 3-4 rides on it's back (so 30 days training abouts) it's going over jumps because that's the horse's job.  BUT his horses are ridden maybe 60 days (so 15 riding?) and kicked back out into pasture until they are 3.  Then the process is repeated but slightly longer time in and maybe slightly higher jumps.  The horse is again kicked out to pasture until 4 and the process is repeated with slightly longer and higher jumps.  After 5 they move up in the jumps but all his horses get 3-4 months off every year to be a horse.  This is in New Zealand by the way.

    I found it really interesting and while it's not something I would do, it is something a world class rider/trainer is doing. 

    There was a lot more to clinic but it was great.

    I think the horse will let you know if it can jump or not.  If they are clumsy on the ground and tripping over their feet, chances are they need either low jumps or none at all.   
  • 05-12-2011 12:25 AM In reply to

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    i had a quarter horse when i was 13 or so, and i remember jumping her over jumps 2 or 2.5 ft high now and again when she was 3.5 and taking her to pony club when she was 4.  it seemed like it was okay then.  of course, i don't know how she aged, but, she was probably fine.

    i have changed alot in the way i think about working with my horse and i wouldn't do that now (even if i was a lightweight). but, we didn't do as much groundwork then either. groundwork was a step to riding, not, an important part of training on its own.

    another difference for me is now i am of an age where my whole plan when i got my present horse is for him to be with me til death.  that makes me comfortable being a lot slower in my expectations of him.  and it makes me very concerned about his physical health so that he will age as healthy as possible.

    Gailforce -- Another old lady rediscovering her inner cowgirl.
  • 05-12-2011 1:25 PM In reply to

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    Gailforce:

    and it makes me very concerned about his physical health so that he will age as healthy as possible.

    A knowledgeable horsewoman is concerned about her horse's health and comfort, regardless of her age. But I do agree, the younger you are, the less likely you are take your time with things.
    Megan


    "The horse you get off is not the horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better."

    Anonymous




  • 06-22-2011 12:41 PM In reply to

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     As with most things, the best answer is "it depends," but there are also some absolutes.  Different horses mature at different rates and in different ways. On the "absolute" end, I would never start a horse younger than 3 and a half over jumps, no matter what the condition, size, or training the horse has already had -- yet the German horse sales will feature three-year-olds free-jumping over very high fences, to show their natural abilities.

    If you're getting a young jumper-prospect ready for sale,there's tremendous pressue to"see what he can do," and show him off to the audience. However, just because the young horse can clear a four-foot (or higher) fence by free-jumping in the sales arena does NOT mean he should continue his jumper training immediately with his new owner.

    Warmbloods often do seem to mature slowly, and balance can be an issue as parts of them grow at different rates. Don't start any horse jumping if he's in a butt-high, withers-low growth spurt. However, starting a well-conditioned, balanced, well-grown, four-year-old thoroughbred-type over cavaletti and small jumps should not be a problem. Be careful, however, not to ask for tight turns or speed, as the twisting/torque forces on young legs can do more damage than just the force of landing over a jump.

    The danger isn't just in potential damage to the legs, it's in the spine.  The horse's legs attain back and neck are the last parts of his skeleton to fully mature. Deb Bennett notes that there's no such thing as a slow-maturing horse -- all horses attain full skeletal maturity at five and a half to six years. That's how long it takes the spine to fully develop.

    Some horses may not reach their full height until after the age of six -- but that additional growth is usually a result of stronger muscling and better-developed ligaments over the shoulders, which can come with improved conditioning and nutrition.

    On the plus side, progressive jump training can improve a horse's balance, confidence, agility and strength in his back and hindquarter muscles. German trainers regularly use raised cavaletti and small gymnastics training, first on the longe and then under saddle, for four- and five-year-olds -- dressage horses and jumpers alike. 

     Sarah Blanchard
    Author: The Power of Positive Horse Training
    Jump with Joy: Positive Coaching for Horse and Rider

    Sarah Blanchard
    www.tactfultraining.com
    Author: Jump with Joy - Positive Coaching for Horse and Rider
    The Power of Positive Horse Training - Saying Yes to Your Horse
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  • 06-22-2011 3:38 PM In reply to

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    48northfarm:
    Gailforce:

    and it makes me very concerned about his physical health so that he will age as healthy as possible.

    A knowledgeable horsewoman is concerned about her horse's health and comfort, regardless of her age. But I do agree, the younger you are, the less likely you are take your time with things.

     it's partly youth that makes you impatient and want to do things with your horse.  but, it's also that you are learning from others and not doing the research yourself.

    i was 14 when i had a 2 yr old to train.  so, at 15 when she's 3, i was ready to start jumping.  adults around me agreed with this.  i was in pony club and had alot of experienced people around.

    now today, i think that's a bit too young.  because i have had many years to read about horses and also now have the world wide web to see what so many other people think around the world, not just at my stable and pony club.

    on a similar note: i am finally teaching my horse to jump. he is almost 6 yrs old. pretty sure he's full grown now Big Smile.

    we have done ground poles lots of times in the past year and last night i set up some 2 foot jumps to lunge him over.  he seemed to really enjoy it.  i was surprised.  it was alot of fun for both of us.

    i want to have him jump a bit, for the exercise and so he is able to jump over small obstacles on the trail.  but, who knows, if he likes it eventually we might be going over a small course now and again.

    but, today, i am still out of shape, so, he will be going over jumps by himself for awhile longer.

    Gailforce -- Another old lady rediscovering her inner cowgirl.
  • 06-23-2011 9:22 AM In reply to

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    48northfarm:
    A knowledgeable horsewoman is concerned about her horse's health and comfort, regardless of her age. But I do agree, the younger you are, the less likely you are take your time with things.

    Maybe. Maybe I am just weird! lol! I am 21, so still what I would consider younger. My boy is 2, and will not be started under saddle (and then lightly) until the summer of his 3rd year (he is born in Feb). It stinks, my wedding will be May of the same year, so that is a LOT happening that same year, but that is what will be best for him. I have started getting names and references for his possible trainer, and we are working on low impact ground work, long-lining etc to make him be a nice flexible young man. He is looking more horsey and less baby each day, and I loooovvveeeee all the compliments he gets.

    I have a lot of plans for this young man, and so he will not be jumped for quite awhile. At 4 I will probably start him over free jumping low gymnastics (2ft at highest) to help build his coordination and balance, but I don't plan on being on his back for that. I will fit him ok weight wise, though balance may be an issue, he will be apprx 15.2-3 ish, and medium/stocky build, I am 140# but am 5'9". But I just don't think that it makes sense to push them too hard. He is a slow developing monster, so it may be different depending on the ponee.  My goal is for us to still be adventuring when he is 30, so my goals are on longevity, not getting over big jumps quicker. However, if my personal horse were quick developing my plans would still be the same, slow and steady!
    Sooo, there is my long winded rambly answer lol!


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