Team driving rein length

Last post 06-22-2011 1:24 PM by sarahb47. 5 replies.
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  • 05-22-2011 9:22 PM

    Team driving rein length

    Hi we have a young team of Fjord crosses started on the wagon and I have several problems.

    1-End of rein that hooks to bridle. What works best left longer? right longer? or the same, I have recieved alot of well meaning advise from local oldtimers but it all is different.

    2-Routing of reins. This afternoon tried left rein through hame then on to bridle for left horse other end direct to left of bridle on right horse and the same idea for the right rein. Control was reasonable but did not seem even enough for both horses. What is the proper method?

    3-Right horse at anything other than a run always pulls harder than the left horse. I tried setting the trace chains on the left horse as short as possible and for the right horse as long as possible but they still do not pull even. Any advise?

    Dave

  • 05-24-2011 12:59 PM In reply to

    Re: Team driving rein length

    Hi Dave,

    Here are some quick answers to your questions. I also recommend the book, Carriage Driving by Emil Jung or On the box Seat by Tom Ryder, which have excellent pictures and explanations of the coupling reins and how to adjust them.

    1-End of rein that hooks to bridle. What works best left longer? right longer? or the same, I have recieved alot of well meaning advise from local oldtimers but it all is different.

    Answer : The direct rein goes to the outside of the horse, the coupling rein goes to the inside of the other horse. Looking at your left rein, the piece of leather that is one piece, is your direct rein. The coupling rein starts at the coupling buckle and continues to the bit of the other horse. When you lay your rein out on the ground, the coupling rein is longer because it travels a longer distance, ie from the coupling buckle to the inside of the other horse. The solid piece of leather that travels from your hand to the left side of the left horse is the direct rein, the coupling rein travels from the coupling buckle to the left side of the right horse. Half halt on this rein and both horses feel a half halt on the left side of their mouth. And the same is true for the right rein. 

    2-Routing of reins. This afternoon tried left rein through hame then on to bridle for left horse other end direct to left of bridle on right horse and the same idea for the right rein. Control was reasonable but did not seem even enough for both horses. What is the proper method?

    Answer : 1. find your direct rein for example lets use the left side again, and run it through the turrets on the left side (outside) of the left horse and attach it to the left side of the bit. 2. Find your coupling rein which starts at the coupling buckle and run it through the right side turrets of the left horse and leave it free, when you put to, you will attach this to the left side of the bit of the right horse. 3. Take the hand piece of your rein and loosely tie it up on the left side turret so when you put to, you know quickly that this is the left side horse because the reins are on the left side. 

    3-Right horse at anything other than a run always pulls harder than the left horse. I tried setting the trace chains on the left horse as short as possible and for the right horse as long as possible but they still do not pull even. Any advise?


    Answer : Assuming your horses are the same size and have the same size neck.... 

    1. Start with the traces at the same length for both horses so that if and when they are behaving properly, they will at least have a chance of working together. 

    2. Find your neutral on your coupling buckles. The setting of the coupling buckle determines the distance each horse is from the pole and must be at neutral for them to travel straight. For example, if you were driving a single and held your right rein 6 inches shorter than your left, it would be impossible for your horse to travel in a straight line because you are pulling his head around. The same is true for your coupling reins, only now you have to make sure your left direct rein and your right coupling rein are giving equal pressure on both sides of the bit.  Many achenbach reins come with a standard measurement, Fjord size horses would be at 5 holes open from your hand on both reins to be at neutral, larger horses may be at 6 or 7 open holes, but 5 open is a good place to start. At this setting, the direct rein and coupling rein should be giving equal pressure to the bit of each horse. If their heads are tilted in towards each other, the coupling reins are to short so move your coupling buckles away from your hand one hole to six open holes. If their heads are tilted out, they are too long so move the coupling buckle towards your hand to have 4 open holes on each rein. 

    3. Make note of your neutral, if it is 5 open holes per rein, you have 10 open holes total. Remember this number. It is important because no matter how you now adjust your coupling reins, the open holes must total 10 for there to be equal pressure on each horse's bit. 

    4. So your problem is that you have a goer and a lazy one...the age old dilema of pairs and a fact that drove me to tandem :) You want to strongly suggest to the forward one to slow down but not tell the lazy one to slow down. To do this, you need to shorten your reins on the forward one, so lets say the forward one is on the right. 4a. Bring the coupling buckle on your left rein back towards your hand 1 hole (now you have 4 open holes) This rein goes from the buckle on the left rein to left side of the right(forward) horse's mouth. 

    4b. Move the coupling buckle on your right rein away from your hand 1 hole ( now you have 6 open holes) This rein goes from the buckle on your right rein to the right side of the left (lazy) horse's mouth. You still have 10 open holes but now you have more contact on your right (forward) horse and the left (lazy) horse now has less contact on his bit when you pull back on the reins. In this case, a picture is truely worth a thousand words and it is much easier if you even draw this on a piece of paper for yourself, if you can't find a picture. 

    5. If you need to still hold the forward one back, you can change your buckles again, just make sure your holes always total of 10, for this example. 

    6. If you have different cheek pieces, like a snaffle or butterfly on one and a liverpool on the other, the snaffle ring itself will make the rein one hole longer. Your buckles can be at 5 and 5 but your horses will feel like they are at 6 and 4 so the horse with the snaffle will be let out one hole and the one in the liverpool will be pulled back one hole.  If you have a butterfly on the forward horse and a liverpool on the lazy one, when you take contact, you are pulling harder on the liverpool than on the butterfly. This could give the impression that the butterfly is dragging you off but really, he is let out a hole. You are telling the liverpool to halt now and telling the butterfly to slow down a bit. To adjust this, the coupling rein that attaches to the butterfly bit, and crosses over into your opposite hand, needs to be taken back 1 hole and the coupling rein that attaches to the liverpool and attaches to your opposite hand needs to be moved forward 1 hole, in essence letting the liverpool horse out one hole to make up for the distance of the butterfly loop. 

    7. If you do not drive at neutral all the time, it is a good idea to assign one rein to each horse so when you periodically switch sides, you don't accidentally change your settings. 

    Pairs are a great challenge and learning experience for you and the horses. I have made every mistake adjusting my reins possible, we all do. Finding your neutral is half the battle but once you do that, the rest is just a bit of trial and error to find your sweet spot and have a fantastic pair ! Then you will be ready for 4s ;)  

    Good Luck

    Wendy

    Wendy Ying, DVM, CVA, CVH
    5 Elements for Animals
    Wysiwyg Sportcobs
    Georgetown, KY and Cottondale, Fl
    www.sportcob.com
    540-454-1994
  • 05-24-2011 8:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Team driving rein length

    Thanks for the very detailed reply Wendy.

    I am new to driving so I apologize if some of my questions sound like I have never driven a team before.

    I have already made some changes to the reins this afternoon and plan to hook them up again in the next day or two.

    Your explaination regarding the rein lengths makes things alot easier to understand, basic math when you think about it.

    Regarding the right horse that always pulls harder, a neighbour stopped by today and said if I tie off his evener  it will make him do all the work and he will soon learn to back off a bit. Not sure if this is a good idea or not but another option anyways. I will try the rein adjustment method first.

     

    The horses are quite well matched half brother and sister born five days apart,they just turned three and never spent a day apart. The gelding [right horse] is more laid back than the mare. When riding under saddle the mare is always out front.Yet on the wagon the gelding  puts his mind to it and keeps going hard.

    Thanks again for the advise and I will let you know how it goes next time out.

    Dave

  • 05-25-2011 4:09 PM In reply to

    Re: Team driving rein length

    You got an extremely good answer from Wendy. 

     My question would be how long have the two animals been driving?  At such a young age, they could still be confused about how to work together.  Do they move off smoothly when you start?  Tying the evener down, will often help so that each animal is not pulled back by the other with the evener.  Tied down, both animals are pulling only on the singletrees, so if one is not in step to go, he/she is not punished for it.  We do this with our beginning horses, untli they learn to step off when asked to "walk on", moving off together smoothly.

     Something to know about Pairs, is that there is ALWAYS an eager one and a lazy one.  And while the eager one may drive you crazy, he is ususally NOT the problem.  The quiet, lazy one may often be slacking in his work, needs to be pushed forward so BOTH animals are working equally.  Know now, that putting two lazy horses together will NOT fix the issue, one will turn into Eager, while the other stays lazier!  Same with putting two Eagers in a Pair, one will go Lazy on you!!  Very frustrating, but does sharpen your Driver skills!!

     The rein adjustments mentioned can be a huge help in not making Eager do all the work, but it will take some changes, until you figure it out.  Carriage horse reins are usually MUCH more adjustable, with normal buckles instead of conway buckles that are hard to change.  Draft reins seem to seldom get changed, or even be adjustable for making your animals happier.  Heavy, thick reins can be hard to use, tire your hands out.  Get reins that are comfortable to hold in your fingers, my husband orders 5/8 inch.  Lots of ladies have narrower ones for their smaller hands.  Reins NEED to be comfortable, soft and flexible.  We find many Amish made reins to be "sturdy", will last for many years, which is there criteria of quality, but totally uncomfortable to use daily.

  • 05-26-2011 5:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Team driving rein length

    Finally hooked them up again this afternoon, with the coupling reins 4.5 inches longer than the direct lines this was an inprovement for directional control.

    Right horse continues to pull harder and wants to pull left, tightening his right trace a couple of links seems to be helping with this.

    At the start they pull reasonably even it seems like when they go faster than a walk but slower than a run is when she is slacking off, tried getting harder on her today to pick up her pace, somewhat of an improvrment but still very noticeable.

    Went and tied off the evener on the right horse this showed an improvement but in less than an hour he was getting sweated up pretty good while the mare was enjoying the afternoon excursion.

    Goodhors- Regarding your questions The first time these two ever saw a harness was last fall with no harness work over the winter just riding,  this spring today was there second time out.

    The reins are the heavy draft kind although this set does have allowance for adjustment and beyond that I have a good set of hole punches. The size works fine with my hands.

    These two stop great and respond well enough to directional requests now if I can keep them even with no drift left I will be content learning the rest with them.

    These two love to go and once the harness in on them they will walk up to the front of the wagon anxious to get hooked up and rolling in anticipation of teaching me something new.

    Dave

  • 06-22-2011 1:24 PM In reply to

    Re: Team driving rein length

     A good resource with info on reins and hitching -- be sure to get the revised edition, which includes the chapter on pairs driving:

    Carriage Driving, by Heike Bean and Sarah Blanchard

    Sarah Blanchard
    www.tactfultraining.com
    Author: Jump with Joy - Positive Coaching for Horse and Rider
    The Power of Positive Horse Training - Saying Yes to Your Horse
    Carriage Driving (with Heike Bean)

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