Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

Last post 08-19-2011 5:55 AM by SpottedPony_horse. 7 replies.
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  • 06-29-2011 5:34 AM

    Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    I have a 20 year old Thoroughbred that I got 6 years ago.  When I got him he was a nervous wreck that didn't understand his right lead and paniced when asked.  He'd also been shuffled through numerous owners (I'm his 13th according to his papers) sometimes only staying at a barn for a few months before being sold.  I started hunter/jumper but started riding dressage after I found an amazing trainer who could figure him out in a heartbeat and teach me what I needed to do to help him.  Needless to say we've improved farther than my wildest dreams.

     Whenever I go to a show or another farm to ride, or a lesson with my trainer my horse is amazing.  He goes on the bit the second he steps in the ring has a spring in his step and really uses his legs to move out and carry him.  He also doesn't get phased by changes inside or outside the ring, unless he gets into a new "game" from my trainer and doesn't realize it's time to stop or something gets all the other horses on the farm excited and running around in which case he'll add extra spring in his step and get extremely excited, but you can always settle him back in within minutes.

    My problem is when I try to ride at home...  It's like going back 6 years with him.  He's hollow, won't move out (I was riding with another girl who shows western pleasure and her horse was moving out more than mine) or engage his hind end, and the split second something changed (for example a car going by) he stops dead.  It's incredibly frustrating as he also completely ignores my aids.  I don't dare practice over fences at home because when he finally does decide to go there's no stopping him.  I know it's not his bit as we have a perfect whoa everywhere else, we always win hunter hack classes because he can go from a hand gallop to a square halt smoothly and quickly.  Riding him as become such a chore I don't even enjoy it all that much when we're at home, it's so demoralizing, he's the most amazing horse in the world everywhere else and I have so much fun with him until I try at home.

     Is there a way to get my amazing rides at home, cause I sure can't figure it out and neither can my trainer, she's even gotten on at home and asked me if I swapped horses on her.

    If it helps my home ring is on the edge of a hay field besides the woods.  It's a dirt/grass mix as when I did a lot of jumping I liked to have the ability to school over dirt as well as the grass so we were both confident and my parents obviously didn't want jumps, let alone me riding, in the hayfields.  It's also across the street from the barn and pasture, I do leave his companion across the street with my parents cows when I ride, and while she calls frequently he mostly ignores her when I'm working him. 

  • 06-29-2011 7:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    I suspect that you're psyching yourself out at home. You know he will be great away from home, so he is, and you have decided he is a train wreck at home, so he is. You probably ride more confidently away from home--when others are watching you, you feel safer?--and he is reacting to your lack of purpose, or lack of coolness at home. There's a saying that might apply here: Your horse is only as brave as you are. You probably had a bad ride one time--for whatever reason, maybe you two had a bad day--and before the next ride you thought, "Am I going to have another bad ride?" And of course you did. That started a vicious circle.

    I'm not sure how to change your outlook when riding at home. Maybe you can tell yourself that you're actually at a show, not at home--wear your show attire and show tack, even ask some friends to come watch you--and see if the ride is not as bad as it often is. If you get just a glimmer of a better ride, then there you go.

    I'm not a psychologist, and can't offer any professional advice to help you feel differently, but I'd bet that your horse is just reacting to YOU. YOU'RE the one that has to change. I've seen books about how to deal with fear when riding--and face it, you're a bit afraid to ride at home, aren't you?--and I'm sure you can Google "fear of riding" and get all kinds of advice and book titles. Good luck.
    Megan


    "The horse you get off is not the horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better."

    Anonymous




  • 07-07-2011 3:43 PM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

     I agree w/ 48 - he is probably reacting to you, and you are reacting to the surroundings. I have 2 suggestions.

    1) Read Jane Savoie's That Winning Feeling. It has some great sport psychology stuff in it that has really helped me. Some very quick things from it (and there are multiple chapters on these) - if you are picturing it in your mind, your body will subconsiously try to make it happen.You picture your horse spooking, and he will more than likely spook (for example). And "as if" can be very powerful. Try riding "as if" you were somewhere else - imagine you are at a show or your trainer's arena, not at home.

    2) You said your trainer was able to figure him out. That is great, and makes me wonder why you haven't asked to to watch you ride at home. Find a time that she is willing/able to come out and just watch what happens. Maybe even have her ride him at your place. (I say that because my instructor can sometimes tell more about what is going on by riding a horse after a rider who is having issues.)

  • 07-07-2011 4:37 PM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    A 20 year old TB prob has hock and stifle problems - since he was hollow and "bad" for your trainer at home as well, I might look at the hard field that you ride in as perhaps magnifying some discomfort somewhere.

    Katie

  • 07-08-2011 9:15 PM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    I have had a couple of horses that just don’t do as well at home.  Usually this is a factor when you are trying to ride in your pasture (or if you’re like us you might have an “arena area” tilled up in the back of one of your pastures).  If we have a horse that develops a bit of an attitude at home (like “screw you, this is MY pasture”) we usually put them up into a paddock, stall, or smaller pasture for a few weeks instead of letting them roam loose until they get a good attitude back.  
    That said, since your horse is older I would also look at the footing you are riding in!  If his feet or joints are sore and your footing is harder or lumpier than at the arenas you haul to, it could be having a huge impact.
  • 08-17-2011 8:16 PM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    If you go out with a lead line and lead him around he'll trust following you and he will get used to his surroundings after a few outings. after a while- once he has got used to his surroundings- you can go out under saddle. Just remember to give him a treat for being such a good boy! Yes

    I use this alot and it seems to work well.

  • 08-18-2011 10:54 AM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    I never post here but I don't think this problem is discipline related. And I don't think the OP is doing anything wrong. Even the trainer, who has had obvious success with overcoming his past and getting him engaged and happy with his job, can't flesh out the change in behavior at home. I agree the problem is psychological. But I think it's in the horse's head and not the owner's.

    Thirteen owners in 20 years... is a flag. But... he's finally found some stability with his current owner and a trainer that made a connection. And after six years at the same home he should not be having environmental problems. Yet he's a different horse in different environments, even though his "job" is essentially the same. So what jumps out at me as the missing ingredient between the two? A sense of competition. 

    Thoroughbreds stand head and shoulders above other breeds for their competitive nature. And it sounds like this horse is one of the few who really thrive on it. The missing element is the presence of other horses and the anticipation of competition.

    This horse appears to be a natural specialist. I doubt he can happily do double duty as a performance horse and a pleasure horse. For him it would be one or the other. But not both. And practicing a job he likes so well under two so disparate environments (home and away) can tend to pull down his overall performance if he's "made" to when he has no sense of urgency. That leaves constant trailering to a busy facility or boarding at a training barn to provide the additional consistency he seems to need. Both could be possible deal-busting additional expenses in time and money.

    Granted. Most any horse should be consistent no matter when or where he's asked to respond to his learned cues. But I don't think this one is just "any" horse. It's possible if he had found the right owner and trainer 14 years ago history might know his name as a top level competitor. But he's finally come to the right people for him to be with a bit late in life. 

    Leaving him at the facility for 30 days where he does his best work to judge his consistency would be a telling experiment. I think you'll find it's not the condition of the ground, pain in his legs, a hesitant rider or the view across the fence at home that makes him such a different horse. He's got nobody to show off in front of at home. And he's one of those rare horses that needs to have that drive to be fully engaged in his job. 

    (ETA- Another thing to try as a "control" for the experiment would be to find another farm similar to your own, with just one other horse in residence and a practice arena to take him for a riding session. See if his responses are similar to those at home or if he composes and focuses himself to the level you get when at the trainer's place. If he remains the same hollow and disinterested horse there you'll have a better idea about his mindset. If he DOES perform much better at a place similar to your own, then I would start looking at surface conditions in his exercise area.)

    Personally, I think a decision is at hand. Either keep him at home and live out life as a "hollow" and somewhat disinterested pleasure horse or move him to a training barn where he can get all the motivation he desires to be what you really want him to be. I don't think half measures will change anything with this guy. I think you have one that may be really special. ~FH


  • 08-19-2011 5:55 AM In reply to

    Re: Horse is terrible at home but amazing away. Help?

    This is something I was wondering about right from the beginning.  This is a horse who needs an audience, or why bother.  Another thing to do would be go to a show and make recordings of the sounds of the show, cheers etc.  Then set them to play loudly as you are getting him ready to ride and while riding and see what happens.  But as FH says, the best thing for him might just be to keep him at a busy barn and shows at regular intervals to make him really happy.

    Spotted Pony

     


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