Training, training, training! Help!

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  • 10-08-2011 2:23 PM

    Training, training, training! Help!

    Oh my goodness... Where to begin! Well, my horse is a 7  year old AQHA mare, and we have a really good relationship... on the ground. She likes spending time with me, has good ground manners, etc. But when I try and ride her, I become an annoying sack of potatoes on her back. There are some days where she will listen better and respond without throwing a fit, but most of the time, she doesn't listen, and if she does, it's very short-lived. I would love to take her out every day and be able to just go, not worry about if something might happen. How do I get her to be "dead broke" and a good trail mount?
    "Have you given the horse its strength or clothed its neck with a flowing mane? Did you give it the ability to leap forward like a locust? It's majestic snorting is something to hear! It paws the earth and rejoices in its strength." -God in Job 39:19-21

    -he knows when I'm happy,
    he knows when I'm comfortable,
    he knows when I'm confident...
    and he ALWAYS knows when I
    have carrots! <3
  • 10-08-2011 3:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

    How is she in the arena? Is she "dead broke" there? If she's fine in the arena, but a less-than-ideal trail horse, go back to her introduction to the trail. When I was starting my Lusitano filly, I took her for "trail leads": we went out on the trail with her in-hand. She had me to rely on when things got scary looking. Then she went with an experienced horse whose rider ponied her on the trail. Next, I rode her with a friend on the experienced horse. The friend--who also did most of her starting--rode her on her first solo trail ride, Finally, I took her on the trail by myself. My filly never went out on her own from the get-go, but always had support when she needed it. The trail can be pretty scary when you're a baby on your own, so she always had me or another horse at the beginning.

    If your mare doesn't listen to you well whenever you ride her, it's something else. You say she she rarely listens to you, but I wonder if she doesn't know what you're asking. When was she started? By whom? Even at 7, if she never really understood the aids from the beginning she CAN'T respond to you well. In addition, you say she reacts to you like you're a sack of potatoes. Is that how you ride? Do you know how to ask her for things properly? Are you just sitting on her, not really riding her at all?

    With so much off in the ditch with your mare, I'd suggest finding a natural horsemanship trainer who can work with your mare AND you. Although you say your relationship is good on the ground--not so under saddle--your mare might have not have gotten the connection between listening to you in-hand and US. Or maybe you know how to ask for things on the ground, but not how to ask under saddle. I'm working with a NH trainer right now b/c my filly--she's a mare now--sees me as the leader in-hand, but not US, which might be your problem, too. 

    The trainer may advise starting your mare again, but since I don't know you or your mare I can't guarantee that. It may be something much easier than that.

    If she needs to start at the beginning, there's not enough room on the forum to tell you what to do. At the least, you should go back to the walk, and do not go past that until she is competent with all of the aids that the walk requires. Turning, go, stop, back up. Don't trot until the walk is PERFECT, and do not canter until the trot is PERFECT.

    Even so, I've got a feeling that she "throws a fit" when you ask her for something b/c she doesn't know what you want. I really have to advise getting a trainer to help you with her, since there's just so much that I don't know about you and your mare to make a qualified guess.

    Good luck.
    Megan


    "The horse you get off is not the horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better."

    Anonymous




  • 10-08-2011 6:18 PM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

     Yep, sounds like a training issue. Meaning, training takes time, patience, know-how, and as much repetition as it takes. How are your riding skills - are you balanced and centered? Is the saddle comfortable to her? If something is bothering her back, then you can't blame her for not listening. After 2 years of on and offness, they found  a horse at our barn had a bone spur in his back.

    Hook up with a trainer to get some feedback!

     

    MorganRider
  • 10-08-2011 11:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

    I used to take lots of riding lessons from a local trainer (we hardly have any trainers as it is, lol!) we started her when she was 2. Oh, the sack of potatoes thing, no I don't ride like that :) I'm balanced and center, and she isn't sore on her back either. She knows every basic cue, go, stop, turn, back up. She actually doesn't have ANY problem with backing up, I have no idea why. It's mainly going forward - in the direction I want for as long as I want it. She wants it her way a lot, but then there are the times when she's willing to respond to what I ask. I am really tired of the back and forth thing, she wants it her way, then she's fine with mine. :P I have John Lyon's Troubleshooting book, and have been reading that, and working some of the techniques with her, but she still goes back and forth.

    Thank you both for your great advice! :)

    "Have you given the horse its strength or clothed its neck with a flowing mane? Did you give it the ability to leap forward like a locust? It's majestic snorting is something to hear! It paws the earth and rejoices in its strength." -God in Job 39:19-21

    -he knows when I'm happy,
    he knows when I'm comfortable,
    he knows when I'm confident...
    and he ALWAYS knows when I
    have carrots! <3
  • 10-09-2011 6:12 AM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

     Find a good trainer and get eyes on the ground to help.  Without that or a video, we can't REALLY know what's going on.  Being a consistent rider and having a positive relationship with your horse is something that takes a lot of time and dedication, as well as an attitude of "what can I do better and how can I communicate more clearly."  I may have missed it but how old is the mare now?



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  • 10-09-2011 7:02 AM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

    She is 7 now. I know I can always improve on my skills, and I always try to be aware of if I might be giving her mixed signals. I've had her since she was 2, and my old trainer and I started her together.
    "Have you given the horse its strength or clothed its neck with a flowing mane? Did you give it the ability to leap forward like a locust? It's majestic snorting is something to hear! It paws the earth and rejoices in its strength." -God in Job 39:19-21

    -he knows when I'm happy,
    he knows when I'm comfortable,
    he knows when I'm confident...
    and he ALWAYS knows when I
    have carrots! <3
  • 10-09-2011 7:33 AM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

    Other than balking at going forward under saddle there's not a lot to go on concerning the horse's attitude toward the rider. Like the other posters I suspect there are some elements of respect on the ground that are missing. Getting a good read on the horse's reactions to in-hand work and free longeing can usually identify the differences between respect and just tolerance. This one area where having a round pen is invaluable.

    Immediately before riding do some free longeing work; change of direction, change of gait, voice commands, etc. until you see a soft lowered head, level top line and inside ear always locked on you. Then mount and supple the horse's neck by bending his nose to your knee on both sides. This also gives the horse a good look at you on his back so he is reminded you are the same person he listens to on the ground. Anytime he ignores your cues under saddle bend him around again and hold him there until the reins go soft, release and try the cue again.

    If the only real problem is balking, try carrying a riding crop and use a light tap on his rump to encourage him. Be careful not to initiate a bolt. Light taps first. Then heavier if needed. If he's unresponsive to the crop it may be time to investigate and introduce the proper use of a mild spur. PRESS! Never jab! And let him know if he ignores the forward leg or voice cue the spur will be next. ~FH
  • 10-10-2011 1:16 PM In reply to

    Re: Training, training, training! Help!

    Oh I love roundpens! But we don't have one. :( I was going to take her to our local rodeo arena so I could work with her in an environment with very little distractions, like her pasture buddies or anything, and it's also a big, flat surface. Thanks for the tips FH! :) I'll try and see if I can get a trailer to take her out there and then work with her even more. Thank you all for your great advice!<>

    "Have you given the horse its strength or clothed its neck with a flowing mane? Did you give it the ability to leap forward like a locust? It's majestic snorting is something to hear! It paws the earth and rejoices in its strength." -God in Job 39:19-21

    -he knows when I'm happy,
    he knows when I'm comfortable,
    he knows when I'm confident...
    and he ALWAYS knows when I
    have carrots! <3

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