Buddy Sour...

Last post 04-05-2012 2:39 PM by henryfarms. 2 replies.
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  • 04-05-2012 1:08 AM

    Buddy Sour...

    I live on a 4 acre horse property and have a Quarter Horse gelding, Joe, who has always been low in herd order. I keep a friend's gelding here and we share in the care of both horses. The barn has two stalls, adjoining run-ins with separated paddocks. We also have a shared pasture and a round pen. 

    My friend's horse, Slick, is 17.2 hands and gets very aggitated when my horse is out of his sight or if I am grooming him or working him and he can't be near. Joe becomes distracted and doesn't listen well when his "boss" is making a fuss, so often we get little training accomplished. There is no way to separate them completely; Slick panics, whinnys constantly and makes a mess of the stall and trys to fight his way out, damaging the barn. If I put him in the pasture, he runs the fence, further distracting Joe and also endangers himself. He is an arthritic senior who requires extra care. 

    My friend is naive and feels that the two horses need each other. Although I like Joe and value Val's friendship, she just doesn't get the fact that it's my home and her horse has become a nuisance.She is very defensive regarding her horse, but does little to help the situation and works full time. I don't want to move him to a boarding barn, it seems like she'd be institutionalizing him. But I need to give my horse the training and focus he deserves. What to do?

    Thanks, 

    Minerva


  • 04-05-2012 1:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Buddy Sour...

    You need to get Joe's full respect. He needs to be able to focus on YOU, not Slick, and the only way to get his attention is by getting his respect. I, too, have a buddy sour mare, Havannah, who runs the fence when I have her girlfriend, Juno, with me, but I have Juno's respect so that she is fine with whatever I want of her, regardless of Havannah's screams. The same applies to Havannah: she is able to focus on me entirely, even with Juno calling for HER.

    Since Slick is going to be a distraction, it will be hard to get Joe's attention, but it can be done. Start on the ground, with leading Joe. Put Slick in the field. Keep Joe's attention on you as you ask him to go forward, back up, turn, halt. If he's watching Slick, get his eyes back on you. Start by clucking at him to get his focus. If that does nothing, wiggle the lead rope. If he's still focused of Slick, jerk the lead. You might have to get pretty aggressive at the beginning--since he's gotten used to paying more attention to Sick than you--but stick with it. As soon as you get his attention, reward him with a stroke on his forehead or pat on the neck, tell him how good he is. If he's good about taking treats, offer him one for focusing on you. Keep working on the ground manners until you can get a turn, a halt, anything you want, and all you need is your body language and a loose loop in the rope.

    Once you get Joe's attention, require it every time you work with him, be it grooming, tacking up, riding, hauling. Under saddle it may need something more to keep his attention since you're not right in front of him. In that case, ask him for maneuvers that require him to pay attention if he wants to stay on his feet: sharp turns, transitions, halts, backing up. Don't just go round and round in the same large circle, make it interesting. You want him thinking, "What's she going to ask next?"

    As far as Slick goes, I guess there's nothing you can do about his meltdown since his owner seems a bit clueless. All you can do is expect the best from Joe. If you've never really required anything of Joe, it may be difficult to get the hang of paying attention to HIM all the time, too, but you must. You can't expect him to focus on you all the time if your own mind wanders. In addition, you won't be able to hold his attention unless you require it ALL THE TIME. You have to be very consistent: always ask for his focus, and reward him when he gives it to you. The rewards can become smaller as he learns his lessons, but he'll like knowing that he's doing the right thing as he's getting it.

    Good luck. Once you get Joe's respect and focus, your connection with him will be so much better. You'll wonder why you never did this before. :D
    Megan


    "The horse you get off is not the horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better."

    Anonymous




  • 04-05-2012 2:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Buddy Sour...

    I agree with Megan as it pertains to Joe - this is actually a great training opportunity for the two of you.  Horses are prey animals who find security in a herd so it is not unreasonable for either Joe or Slick to feel frantic and anxious when taken away from the safety a herd (even of only two) offers.  You need to earn his respect and leadership - the more this increases the greater his focus will be on you.  Essentially, you need to become Joe's herd (and more specifically, the leader of it).  Horses earn respect and leadership via moving one another's feet - he who moves his feet the least is the dominant member, the leader.  There are a lot of ground exercises you can use to direct your horse's feet and earn his respect - turns on the forehand, turns on the hind, sidepass, back-up, circles with transitions and changes in direction, etc.  You can also use these exercises to develop Joe's level of self-confidence.  U/s, you need to direct Joe's feet such as Megan suggested.  If Joe becomes or remains extremely distracted, you can dismount, earn his focus, and remount.

    As far as Slick goes, there really is not much to be done.  If he is a nuisance to you and is destroying your property or potentially causing harm to himself, perhaps your set-up is not appropriate for him and he should be moved.  If you are open to it, maybe a goat, mini, or donkey would provide the companionship and security he needs when Joe is removed?


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