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Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

Cowgirl_Chic — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:32:34 GMT

Soak the oats with what? For adding suppliments?

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:02:57 GMT

i think its mare and foal ill just feed her a litle bit every time i go down and the vet said to put oil on her feed to gain weight. since she is a cribber before we got her shes been loseing weight so we put a cribbing muzzle on her becuz she cribbs right through the collar. the guy the owned her had a very small place and had her sister her mother her brother and a yearling that all cribbed.also i have a question do you have to soak the oats

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

Cowgirl_Chic — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:49:17 GMT

16% is kind of high for a non active horse. I know there are many reasons why people put oil in feed but what is your reason? I feed my horses 12% stable blend which is just a dry mix. And mix it with a feed called one and only thats only 9%. The one and only is supposed to be a very safe feed. Horses can't colic from it suposedly. And when feeding them it you don't need hay either. I still give hay though. They say you can put the feed out in a pasture and let the horses eat whenever they want and as much as they want like cows.

Corn also helps put weight on horses and gives them nice coats but you can't feed it to them straight.

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:34:26 GMT

vegetable oil her food is 16% and we just got some oats also i think my mom ordered some dumar pleasure for hard keepers

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

Cowgirl_Chic — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:21:02 GMT

What kind of oil? What percent feed are you feeding her now?

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:47:10 GMT

thxs ill check into that i usual give her hay every day and i put oil on her food

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

Cowgirl_Chic — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:10:15 GMT

You can try different suppliments but you can also try milk plus, calf mana (I don't know how to spell it), then there is another thing made by bluebonnet I think. When you go to the feed store ask them what would be best. They know nutrition better than your average person. Also give good hay. Even just a couple of flakes a day would help. A bale could last a week depending on the bale. Make sure your horses are wormed regularly also. Them having worms can keep them from gaining weight.

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:54:21 GMT

hmm cool im going to try that today lolmy grandma said u couldn't but o well she won't know hahaha

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

amberp11703 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:52:53 GMT

http://esc.rutgers.edu/ask_expert/Nutrition.htm#bok:
Is it okay to feed bread to my horses?

Is it okay to feed bread to my horses? If so, how much can I feed per 100 pounds of body weight?

"Bread" is a rather wide category – just look at the aisles in the grocery store. Everything from high carbohydrate fortified white bread to rye and high fiber/low carb breads with a wide variety of flavors, nutritional contents, etc. is out there. That being said, most breads are grain-based, which is what we feed horses anyway. They tend to be high starch - indeed, the standard for determining glycemic index (blood sugar response) in human medicine is based on white bread.

However, because there are a wide variety of recipes out there, I hesitate to generalize over all types of breads for horses, since, to my knowledge, there have been no feeding trials conducted using even white bread in this species. "Bakery waste" (day old products or batches that didn't come out just right) is frequently used as a mainstay of hog and cattle rations in some areas. Some commercial feed companies have even included bakery waste in their horse feeds in the past. The only reason it is not commonly done now is for fear of getting poppy seed or chocolate in the mix too, which can cause positive drug tests in performance horses.

Since commercially available breads are meant for human consumption, they will not contain known toxins or impure ingredients and frequently are supplemented with added vitamins and minerals (including safe amounts of selenium). They can actually be more nutritious than plain grains commonly used for horses! Wheat is a grain not commonly used in horse rations due to price and concerns about potential problems with glutens in its raw form. Although wheat flour is a main ingredient in most bread, it is acceptable, especially in the baked, processed form of bread. Unless fortified with calcium, breads may not have a good calcium to phosphorus ratio, but this would not be a problem in most cases if they were fed with good quality hay or pasture. In very old horses the lower calcium intake might actually be good! Day old bread and bagels are commonly fed to horses in Europe as a treat or cheap supplement to their rations.

My main concern with feeding a lot of bread to horses would be the potential lack of fiber, leading to wood chewing and perhaps gastric ulcers and a possible calcium deficit. Before everyone starts raiding the stores for their day old bread and bagels, let me give the following recommendations:

Avoid breads that contain poppy seeds or chocolate, especially if competing with the horse.
Try to get the high fiber/low carbohydrate fortified types of bread.
If planning to feed more than a few slices a day, start slowly. I'd probably restrict intake to 1-2 pounds a day unless there is a special case, like a toothless horse.
If the horse is prone to laminitis or is glucose intolerant I would not recommend feeding anything but high fiber/low carb breads in very limited quantities (no more than one or two slices a day, and not all at once!).
If feeding over 5 pounds of bread a day, consider getting a nutritional analysis of it (especially if feeding a mixture of "waste" bread) and consulting an equine nutritionist to make sure it is balanced.
Stay away from the high sugar/high fat donuts unless you have a horse that:
Is not glucose intolerant
Is a bit thin and needs to gain weight!
Answer provided by Dr. Sarah Ralston, VMD, Ph.D., dACVN, Rutgers Cooperative Extension

But

http://www.petalia.com.au/Templates/StoryTemplate_Process.cfm?Story_No=1621:
Whilst bread may provide extra dietary energy, it should only be used in moderation and with a good knowledge of the dangers associated with feeding it. Bread is high in carbohydrates, and very low in fibre. It should only be fed in small amounts as a part of each meal. Feeding too much bread may lead to behavioural and clinical problems more commonly associated with high grain diets. If bread makes up a large part of the diet, the risk of laminitis and colic is increased. Bread also contains a large amount of gluten, which when wet forms a sticky ball that can cause choke, colic and possibly impactions. For this reason, it is better to feed bread stale rather than fresh, and mix well with other fibre sources before feeding

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

amberp11703 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:46:31 GMT

Why would you not be supposed to give your horse bread? It doesn't have anything in it that will hurt them.

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:25:26 GMT

i t6hought you werent suppose to give horses bread but thxs for that if notnihg else works ill try it

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

amberp11703 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:35:14 GMT

A cheaper way to add weight is to talk to your local grocery stores or resturants and ask for their bread that goes out of date. Make sure its not moldy but most of the time it will last for weeks past that date. We have a local Mrs. Bairds and you can get a shopping cart of "animal bread" for $5. It will pack the weight on and they love it. Dont feed to much at a time though. I always break it up so they wont choke. And once you get it keep it cool and dry.

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:03:40 GMT

thank you for ur help ill buy wat i can afford lol im only 14 and takeing care of two horse one thats hurt and i have to change her bandage 2 times a day a a freak lol

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

pygmysong — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:37:44 GMT

Senior complete feeds are a great way to add extra weight (without adding too much 'spunky energy') to a horse; you feed it in small amounts (like 3 feedings per day).

Other things you could try would be a product called Weight Builder, Alfalfa pellets, and Black Oil Sunflower seeds.

Good luck with the training.

Re: how to train a horse that you can't ride

dixie bell — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:21:44 GMT

im going to tractor supply to day so ill have to buy some stuff also im so proud of me and my qh thats been injured i rinsed her off today and she was a little air headed about it but she liked to drink out of the hose it was funny then she took hold of it and started to spray me but she scared my mom after cause she saw her flopen around but she was just rolling on a hill lol well my qh is still losen weight even with a muzzle on but since shes nmot cribbin any more becuz of that i would like to know of some weight supplements or any home remidies plz!!!!