feed/weight gain question

Last post 02-12-2007 5:57 PM by HungarianW. 20 replies.
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  • 02-12-2007 5:57 PM

    feed/weight gain question

    I'm still trying to get my horse to gain some weight.
    I finally am ready to try dry shredded beet pulp. How much should I give him to start? He's c. 1000 lbs.

    Do you see a problem with what he's eating?

    -TDI pelleted grain 12%
    -BOSS and Alfalfa pellets
    -Hard keeper (which doesn't seem to make a difference)
    -CocoSoya oil (maybe I should bag this and use canola oil)
    -Plenty of hay

    I wish I could just find one thing (like grain) and he would be fine with that...

    Would flax seed help?

    I don't want to hurt his system by giving him so many different things. Is there a combination of things that would work better???

    Thank you so much for your input.
    -Equine rookie

  • 02-12-2007 6:26 PM In reply to

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    How are his teeth looking? Does he have any? Laugh He could possibly be anemic. You can either have your vet do some blood work, or start him off on Red Cell and see if you notice any changes.

    My sister's old Anglo Arab is here now. He has very little teeth Wink So he gets Purina senior, alfalfa pellets, ground flax seed, arthritis supplements, red cell, and daily dewormer- whew! All mixed up with hot water- made plenty sloppy Wink

    TJ has been putting on quite a bit of weight. I know the redcell has helped alot, as TJ's anemic. Before it didn't matter what he was fed, he just wouldn't gain. Now I can see a hint of ribs, but I sure can't count them! He still has a ways to go. He's always been a hard keeper, but now that he doesn't have much in the way of teeth, it makes it even harder Wink
  • 02-12-2007 8:52 PM In reply to

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    What exactly is "red cell"? I've not heard of it.
    My horse's teeth are good. He had them floated a year ago and he is only 6. What would anemia have to do with lack of weight gain? (absorbtion issues?)

    What if I used a senior feed as a supplement, as an extra feeding? Would that screw anything up if he was getting a different feed for his morning and evening feedings?
    -Equine rookie

  • 02-12-2007 8:56 PM In reply to

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    Red Cell is a blood builder.....

    Being that your horse is healthy and there are no underlying issues I wanted to recommend a product I use. I too have a problem keeping weight on one of my horses (coming 4 year old). I use Adeptus Gleam and Gain. I feed 2-3 scoops daily for additional calories and it DOES NOT make my horse hot in any way. It has Omega 3's and flax in it. It's a really good coat conditioner as well. As far as supplements go he gets 1lbs of Purina senior AM AND PM. Platinum Performance and MSM. Try it, it's not pricey and I love the results!
  • 02-12-2007 9:00 PM In reply to

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    By the way Red Cell is not a weight gain supplement. It increases the number of red blood cells in the blood which carry more oxygen to the muscles. I use this on my older show horse daily in the Spring, Summer and Fall when I train him everyday. It DOES give him lots of energy but we burn it all with our sessions.
  • 02-12-2007 9:26 PM In reply to

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    I like beet pulp; I feed it to my 20 year old mare. It keeps her at a decent weight, even though she has teeth issues. I sometimes soak it (especially when it's cold and a warm meal is a treat) but usually feed it dry - she loves it either way. I give her about two coffee cans, twice a day. Also, when I have a supplement or wormer or medicine to give her, I can mix it in with the wet beet pulp and she eats every bit of it. I sometimes (depending on my $$ situation) mix it with senior feed, especially in the winter.
    Noel
  • 02-12-2007 10:19 PM In reply to

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    My old (32yr) mare was very difficult to keep weight on. Her teeth were good so I changed my feeding program. I switched feed to rolled oats..that's it. I don't know an exact weight for how much, I have a scoop that I use and I've figured out how many scoops I need for each horse. I add Hoffman's Horse Mineral on top at each feeding and for some extra umph the old girl gets a scoop of Patriot Surmount, a 12% protein pellet, made by Masterfeeds. And of course they get lots of good hay and water, and lots of pasture in the summer


    Jrishha- 15 year old Arabian Mare
  • 02-12-2007 11:01 PM In reply to

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    By the way Red Cell is not a weight gain supplement.




    You're right, but in TJ's case, our vet suggested it, as anemic horses can have a very hard time putting weight on, and keeping it on. That's why I asked the OP if her horse may be anemic Wink

    Now that TJ's on Red Cell, he's now a piece of cake to get weight on.
  • 02-13-2007 12:16 AM In reply to

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    Quote:


    By the way Red Cell is not a weight gain supplement.




    You're right, but in TJ's case, our vet suggested it, as anemic horses can have a very hard time putting weight on, and keeping it on. That's why I asked the OP if her horse may be anemic Wink

    Now that TJ's on Red Cell, he's now a piece of cake to get weight on.




    No prob. i just wanted to make sure she knew not to use it JUST for that......
    Hopefully it's not anemia Smile
  • 02-13-2007 9:24 AM In reply to

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    OK, so can I give him his regular TDI pelleted grain in the morning and evening, and then ADD purina senior, or the performance feed to it in the a.m. and p.m.? Is it OK to mix different feed brands/formulas?? That's what I'm not sure of. Can I continue to give him BOSS, Beet pulp, and oil too (with those 2 feeds)??? I'm just not certain if he would overdose on any nutrients that may be in each formula... Thanks you guys for your answers...you are very helpful!

    P.s. do you give your palomino anything special to give him his beautiful color?? Mine is darker in the spring..the sig picture, he's kind of bland. He looks better now. I need to get new pics up!
    -Equine rookie

  • 02-13-2007 1:22 PM In reply to

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    Personally I would take him off the TDI. I took my horse off grain and now and just giving him the senior. You CAN mix the two but I see you have other supplements too like BOSS, ETC. I would take one of those two out gradually and try just the senior AM and PM with plenty of hay. Are you giving alfalfa or grass? If it's just grass hay, is that why you feed alfalfa pellets? The oil is fine, you can even try corn oil if you're not seeing any results from the current product. As for beet pulp, I've never used it and haven't ever felt my horses needed it. Hope my suggestion helps Smile
    I don't believe in overoading a horses diet, I believe in having a nutritionally sound diet for each individual horse. It may take a couple times of some careful change to find what works best for you and your guy Wink
    PS. The gleam and gain REALLY makes them shine. It even brought out a few dapples I didn't know he had.In the pic below is after two months of gleam and gain and he was intensive training so he looked awesome in September.
  • 02-13-2007 1:56 PM In reply to

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    In my opinion you are feeding a great deal of feeds. I would change grains. If an older horse over 16yrs I would go to a Sr feed. I have great luck with Triple Crown SR and Blue Seal Vintage Sr. If your horse is younger then I love Triple crown complete. It has rice bran and beet pulp inside. Has put weight on a few of my horses.

    The oil, unless it is rice bran oil I never really see it work on putting on weight. I do like the BOSS and flax seed is always good. I always soak my beet pulp even if it is shredded. It expands and I don't mind them having the extra water.

    A really good feed is Omegatin. That has worked wonders on many of the hard keepers at my farm. I highly recomend it.

    What I have done with the hard keepers here is I feed either the sr or complete and add omegatin into their diets. (of course they all get a lot of hay) That works the best for me.

    Also, sometimes I find if I double dose the wormer they gain weight quickly. Two of the horse here I started with a low dose of wormer then a week/ week and a half I gave them a full dose. good luck with your horse. pm me if you would like anymore info. Smile
  • 02-15-2007 10:50 AM In reply to

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    Horses are rarely iron deficient. Iron toxicity is nasty. I would never use red cell w/o a medical diagnosis.

    Where is your horse lacking weight? Ribs? Topline?

    Have you dewormed for tapeworms and/or encysted small strongyles?
  • 02-15-2007 11:08 AM In reply to

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    Sorry I did not have time to read all the posts in this thread but just wanted to let you know what has worked for my thoroughbred. The grain I have him on is Triple Crown Complete (has rice bran and beet pulp right in it). I also give him Triple Crown conditioning chaff which is a high fat/fiber supplement. He is carrying great weight this winter and is happy and healthy - without the energy calories that he doesn't need. After watching him, there are now 4 other horses I know that have gone on this feed and are doing great. You can check out any of these products on the Triple Crown page at: http://www.triplecrownfeed.com
    I tried many different things before finding this combination and I know what you mean about wanting to keep it simple. Of course he also gets hay - which is provided by the barn I board at. Best of Luck!!
  • 02-15-2007 2:20 PM In reply to

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    He's on a good worming schedule, but his ribs are beginning to show again. I think he's naturally slender/long quarter horse. I think his rear and topline could use some meat.. I don't want him heavy, just a little meatier in those areas.
    -Equine rookie


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