CheyAut:

Stonepony, Lp is the gene that makes an appy an appy. Not the one that gives them white with spots, that's from several different genes called PATN. If a horse has Lp with no PATN, they are an appy, but not spotted. They'll have the appy characteristics (mottled skin, striped hooves, white sclera and varnish roaning). If a horse gets that AND at least one of the several PATN genes, then you get the white wtih spots (blanket, leopard, ect). If they ahve a PATN and TWO Lps, you get the homozygous appies, few spots, snowcap, ect. A horse wtih two Lp but no PATN is still homozygous, but they're still just a varnish roan.

The Lp study was to find where in the horse genome Lp is located, then there can be a genetic test (via mane or tail hair) to know if your horse has one or two Lp genes... plus it gets "us" one step further in understanding appaloosa genetics :)

Jessi

see what i mean?  my current App is a red roan with a blanket. and the light of my life!  go checkout www.appaloosaproject.com stonepony, it's interesting.

Squeeks, it's always bad to try to guess colors off of shaved horses, but the shaved areas on your horse is what color blacks are typically when they're shaved.

Jessi

One time my sis-in-law had a strawberry roan pony and one spring a neighber ask me when my sis-in-law had bought a pink horse?  LOL.

 I read one time that true black is very rare and that they do not fade in the sun.  Do you think this is correct?

Our old Appy is a red roan but she is pretty white now.  She has a few small spots left whth a shado of redness on her lower legs.  Her whole front was red when she was young and she had a big blanket.

Yeah, my understanding (though it's been a looooong time since my genetics courses) is that a true black won't fade, but a sooty black does because of the cream gene.  Though there's a definite possibility that I'm just all mixed up, too! lol

stonepony:

Our old Appy is a red roan but she is pretty white now.  She has a few small spots left whth a shado of redness on her lower legs.  Her whole front was red when she was young and she had a big blanket.

nikelodeon79:

My hair is brunette, but it "fades" to reddish blonde when I'm out in the sun a lot... does that mean I'm not a "true" brunette?  

I think that means you're not a horse

nikelodeon79:

I've certainly seen different levels of fading... some blacks seem to fade more than others... but I've always seen some level of it on blacks that aren't blanketed/kept out of the sun.

just to make it a little more confusing!

Blacks fading or not has nothing to do with being "true" nor anything to do with a cream gene. Som blacks fade, some do not.

I don't think anyone would argue about a Friesian being a true black. Here is Radiance, unfaded and faded

Jessi

 Oh, Jessi, you would looooooooove talking to my riding buddy -- she is really into colour genetics too.  It's funny talking to her because her son also breeds reptiles and reptile people are even worse than horse people about making up names for all the colour combinations and then charging you extra for them.

I do quite enjoy all the horse colour variation, I just hate when people feel like they have to make up a special name for everything and then breed for it no matter what the actualy HORSE underneath the colour looks like.  You should see the GODAWFUL stallion they breed all the time at NCState University -- but he's a paint, so they love to breed him!

Yes, Solo, I COMPLETELY agree with you!!! If the horse were some plain jane color, would you still breed to it? If no, then don't! I LOVE horse color, and have those I prefer, but color is the last thing one should look at!

What kind of reptiles does she breed? I know leopard geckos have some strange colors/names... one of mine is a blizzard? Looks pink to me ;)

Jessi

 Jessi -- her son breeds corn snakes and ball pythons.  I think those are the two snakes with the CRAZIEST colour breeders!  I have two lizards, but I just got them because they are cool and fun to play with -- I don't give a darn if they are dalmation flame leopard dark phase stripey magic whosey-whatsit!