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What color is my horse?

Last post 03-07-2009 7:14 PM by knotty nancy. 10 replies.
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  • 01-31-2009 9:40 PM

    Tongue Tied [:S] What color is my horse?

    Goofy question here, but . . .

    I bought this QH gelding 2 months ago. He was sold as a buckskin and I have been calling him a buckskin. Then I happened to look on his AQHA reg papers, and he is registered as a dun.  I looked up the differences in the colors. Buckskins have dark main and tail and black points, right?

    And duns have a dorsal stripe, dun legs with some striping, and main and tail dun or a bit darker, right?

    So what do you call a dun body color with a very distinct dorsal stripe, black points (no striping), a black tail, and a mixed black/dun mane? A crazy mixed up boy??

    Sorry, I can't figure out how to paste a picture with this post, so I've tried to describe him here. There are recent pictures of him in my gallery (click on my name beside the post and then click on gallery - the AFTER pictures are the recent ones).

    Thanks for playing the color game with me :)

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  • 02-01-2009 6:38 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

     I call it a brown horse, LOL.  I know there are technical differences, but to me, a buckskin and a dun are the same thing, so call him whatever you want.  :-) 



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  • 02-01-2009 8:04 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    I never heard the term buckskin till I moved to the US from England.  Then I looked and thought "Hmmm, looks like a dun to me"  So then I thought that buckskin was just the American name for the color. Took me a while to realize they are supposed to be two separate colors and I can't tell which is which.
  • 02-01-2009 10:58 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    Looking at him I think Dun.

    This might help you alittle.

    Dun vs. Buckskin - The Color Controversy

     
    Yellowish horse, black points. Is it a buckskin or a dun? Well, it depends on which registry you consult, although there is some agreement in their definitions. 

    Both have yellowish body color (although the shade of yellow can vary tremendously). The International Buckskin Horse Association (IBHA) says that "buckskin" should be the color of "tanned deerhide" with dark points (mane, tail, and legs). Dun is a similar color although, according to the IBHA, it is a "duller shade than buckskin." In the past, the dun color was often considered to be more sooty or smutty. A horse with a mane and tail that wasn't black was also called dun.

    Recently scientists have determined that there are separate genes that are responsible for the buckskin and dun colors. Buckskin is one result of the "c cr" dilution gene, while dun is one result of the "dun" dilution. Either dilution gene will lighten the body color of a horse, much like adding a little white to a darker color of paint. Therefore the bay color would become buckskin or dun color. And just as there are many shades of bay, from a pale sandy bay to a dark blood bay, there are many shades of buckskin and dun, from a pale buttermilk to an almost chocolate color.

    Bay is not the only color affected by the dilution genes. A sorrel or chestnut base color would become red dun (pinkish or flesh-colored with red or chestnut points) when combined with the "dun" gene or palomino (golden body with a lighter or white mane and tail) when combined with the "c cr" gene. A black or dark brown base color would become grullo (pronounced grew-yah) with the "dun" gene and a dark to almost black buckskin when combined with the "c cr" gene. Grullos are not very common, but can be a mouse gray to a camouflage-olive, often with a metallic-like sheen. This color should not be confused with gray or blue roan. Each hair on a grullo is the diluted color, not a mixture of white and dark hairs.

    Although the primitive markings are associated with the "dun" dilution, it may be possible that they can be inherited separately. More scientific study will probably affirm or discredit this theory.

    Since 1987 the AQHA has classified a horse with a dorsal stripe as a dun and a horse without the dorsal stripe as a buckskin. This is opposite to the way they used to register these colors, so you may, for example, find pedigrees showing a dun horse siring a buckskin foal. There is also the possibility of a horse carrying a copy of each dilution gene. In this case, it may be possible to have a palomino horse with a dorsal stripe.

    Primitive Markings:

    Dorsal Stripe - The color of the stripe will depend on the body color - can vary from black or dark brown to a sorrel or peach color.

    Leg Barring - These are horizontal stripes across the hocks, inside and on the front of hind legs, and on the back of the forearms and across the knees.

    Shoulder Stripe or Shadowing - A stripe, or sometimes, several stripes, over the withers in varying widths and lengths. Occasionally several stripes will merge together giving a shadow effect.

    Ear Tips - The tops and sometimes the sides of the ears are darker than the body color. Occasionally there are also horizontal stripes on the backside of the ears.

    Neck Shadowing - Occasionally dark shadows will appear on the crest of the neck or extending into the hollow of the shoulder.

    Cobwebbing - Lines of varying lengths over the forehead and face resembling a spider web. Occasionally the lines extend from the eye somewhat like an eyebrow. Sometimes the lines merge to look like shadows across the bridge of the nose or around the lips and nostrils.

    Mane and Tail Frosting - Light hairs in the mane or at the top of the tail. The light hairs can run throughout the length of tail.

    Mottling - Similar to dapples, however the mottling color is darker than the body color (as opposed to the lighter dappling). Additionally the mottling is usually only found on the forearms, shoulders, gaskins, and stifles, whereas dappling is usually on the barrel and hips.

     




     





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  • 02-01-2009 11:31 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    Lwilliams:

    So what do you call a dun body color with a very distinct dorsal stripe, black points (no striping), a black tail, and a mixed black/dun mane? A crazy mixed up boy??

    A bay dun with dorsal stripe. ~FH

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  • 02-02-2009 8:55 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    you beat me to it FH!Big Smile

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  • 02-02-2009 10:58 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

     To me he looks like a redish-gold bay color. I'm not all that good with the color things though. 

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  • 02-02-2009 11:52 AM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    He looks like a dun to me. I had a horse that was just about the same color, but he had the stripes on his legs and the cross on his shoulders. He was what I have heard called a "claybank dun" because the color is like reddish clay dirt. I would  bet that when your guy sheds out he will show up with some of the other dun characteristics. It will be interesting to see if he does!

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  • 02-08-2009 8:23 PM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    Thanks to all. He does have the mane and tail frosting - from the list of 'primitive dun characteristic' in this post. If weird stripes start showing up when he drops his winter coat, I'll have to post new pics and we can play the color game again then :)

    For now it sounds like he's a yellow bay claybank dun with dorsal stripe and frosting ?. . . sounds like something you might order at Starbucks!

  • 02-08-2009 11:23 PM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    Lwilliams:

    Thanks to all. He does have the mane and tail frosting - from the list of 'primitive dun characteristic' in this post. If weird stripes start showing up when he drops his winter coat, I'll have to post new pics and we can play the color game again then :)

    For now it sounds like he's a yellow bay claybank dun with dorsal stripe and frosting ?. . . sounds like something you might order at Starbucks!


    LOL! I'll have a tall yellow bay claybank dun with dorsal stripe and extra frosting on top, please. 

    It's like the horsey version of Starbucks.
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  • 03-07-2009 7:14 PM In reply to

    Re: What color is my horse?

    Hes a dunskin...looks like a bucksin with the dorsal stripe of a dun.  If it's any consolation, my horse is a bay roan with a dorsalstripe and bars across the shoulders, so I'm at a loss as to what to call him, besides Rusty (his name, lol)

    Nancy


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