Posting Diagonals

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  • 11-01-2011 9:07 AM

    Posting Diagonals

    Another question that has come up since I'm preparing for my first show:

    I've done some reading and I understand there is no rule about posting diagonals?  I'm riding Intro level, and something that gives me tons of trouble is posting on the right diagonal.  I'm correct to the left - off to the right, and have trouble correcting it b/c the "correct" diagonal to the right is actually very uncomfortable and feels off, so I don't know if it's helping my horse or not.   I've read that so long as you're not interfering with your horse's movement, screwing with his balance, then your good.  

    Does anyone have any insight to this?  Has anyone been marked down for being on the wrong diagonal?
  • 11-01-2011 9:49 AM In reply to

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    No, you're not marked down if you're on the "wrong" diagonal, but there's a reason why the outside diagonal is the preferred one. Using the correct diagonal helps the horse maintain her balance, and if you choose the wrong diagonal, and it makes the horse less balanced, you will get marked down for the wrong diagonal in the collective marks on the rider's position. In the lower levels--especially Intro--the young horse is probably already lacking in balance so being on the wrong diagonal wouldn't make much difference, but you don't want to make it any harder for the horse to find her true balance. If you're using the same diagonal all the time, you will interfere with that learning process for the horse.

    Does the correct diagonal on the right rein feel uncomfortable for you to do, or is it the horse's gait on the right rein that's so uncomfortable? If the horse feels funny on the right rein, she has either not been worked on the right rein enough to learn proper balance that way, or she needs a good look from a vet or chiropractor. Do not keep using the wrong diagonal on the rein that's already compromised: she's not going to learn to balance correctly that way.

    I'd suggest getting an opinion from a vet or chiropractor who can tell you what is happening with your horse on the right rein.
    Megan


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  • 11-01-2011 10:53 AM In reply to

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    It's not the horse, I have this problem no matter which horse I'm on.  For some reason it's nearly impossible for me to catch the right diagonal, and then I'm off balance when I do, making things worse for the horse.  
  • 11-01-2011 5:12 PM In reply to

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     Correct, diagonals are not scored in dressage, so it's not a big deal.  If you are having trouble however, I'd guess skeletal or muscle imbalance.  Due to back and leg injuries, I've been working with a chiro and PT a LOT this year, and it is AMAZING the difference it makes.  Finding and strengthening your weak areas can really change your riding and I am slowly becoming able to do things that I thought just were impossible for me before.



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  • 11-01-2011 7:01 PM In reply to

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    Maybe a few lessons from an instructor could help you learn how to pick up the correct diagonal on the right rein. Even if it's your imbalance--as Solaris suggested--an instructor should be able to help you find a coping mechanism.

    Even if you can post on the wrong diagonal for a test, doing so all the time is not doing you or your horse any favors. Learning to post properly is in everyone's best interest. It's just part of better a good rider.
    Megan


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  • 11-02-2011 6:33 AM In reply to

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    I do take lessons as often as I can.  I think my instructor is ready to kill me!  She did tell me that people who start riding as adults sometimes have this issue, having one side stronger than the other.  I've always been able to sort out my other issues,  I eventually have one of those "aha" moments when I figure it out.  For some reason this simple little thing eludes me.  We've tried several different things, I always end up where I was.  It would be funny if I wasn't worried about ending up with an unbalanced horse.  I do have back problems, so I'll try some stretching/toning and see if it helps.  I also have a tendency to get tense as I ride.  I plan on going to the round pen today and working on nothing else to try to get this sorted.  I can't stand not getting it right.
  • 11-02-2011 3:03 PM In reply to

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    Try riding down the centerline, where you are not really on one rein or the other. Practice changing diagonals every five strides, and do not look down, just do it. Once you get the hang of doing either diagonal, go back to the track on the left rein, but don't post on the correct diagonal, post on the diagonal you'd use for the right rein. You'll get the rein you prefer--the left--with the diagonal you dislike, the right. You will find--I suspect--that it's all in your head. The left diagonal you like is just the same as the right diagonal that you dislike. That's what you'll learn by changing diagonals on the centerline. I'd bet not looking down to check your diagonal will help, too. Ask a friend to watch you and tell you when the horse's correct front leg is going up or down, and eventually you will not need to look to get the correct diagonal, you'll feel it.

    I'm rather surprised that your instructor has you going to a show before you have mastered posting correctly. That seems like putting the cart in front of the horse, IMHO. 
    Megan


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    Anonymous




  • 11-03-2011 5:42 AM In reply to

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    Sounds like you have leg strength issues. You need to do alot of 2 point riding and alot of posting without stirrups. You also need to start riding with feel. If you truley "feel" the ride, you should be able to "feel" the correct diagnal, therefore helping you to balance yourself to post on the correct one. Have your instructor put you on the lunge line, trotting and doing it with your eyes closed and feel the ride. It will be great for your back too because you'll be forced to keep yourself balanced. I'm a croocked rider myself so I feel for ya. LOL.



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  • 11-03-2011 11:52 AM In reply to

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    Think about it this way: like I said, posting on the left diagonal is the exact same as posting on the right diagonal. You don't move your right leg differently, your weight isn't bearing on one leg more than the other, they're the same. On the left diagonal you raise your seat when the horse's right front leg raises, and lower it when the horse's left front leg raises. Right raises, left raises, right raises, left raises. If you skip the first step--when the right raises--you have: left raises, right raises, left raises, right raises, which is POSTING ON THE RIGHT DIAGONAL. Nothing changes but the timing.

    I suspect that you're having a problem with picking up the right diagonal b/c you're just so used to the left diagonal that you've conditioned yourself for the left. You don't catch the left leg raising--when you should raise, too, for a right diagonal--b/c you're just used to looking at the right leg raising. It feels funny on the right diagonal b/c you're picking it up differently, not b/c it is physically different. You're MAKING it seem different.

    That's why I suggested trotting down the centerline and going from one diagonal to the other without thinking about what rein you are on. If you're on the track, turning right through the corners, you know you should be on the right diagonal and you're sure you'll get it wrong and it will feel different. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you KNOW you'll do it wrong, you will. 

    Good luck. If you concentrate on it, you CAN do it.
    Megan


    "The horse you get off is not the horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better."

    Anonymous




  • 11-03-2011 12:37 PM In reply to

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    In reading all these I may have figured out something I may be doing to throw myself off  - I really do appreciate all the input.  I love getting insight from other riders.

     I have a month until my schooling show so hopefully I get it sorted out by then.  
  • 11-03-2011 2:31 PM In reply to

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     I agree that this isn't anything to worry about for your test, but IS something to worry about for your riding.

     I like 48's idea of using the centerline and practice changing diagonals.

    I also recommend serpentines - especially during the warmup. Change your posting each time you cross the centerline. I used to have issues with feeling unbalanced the first time I would change direction in the warmup trot. And it would take me a while (2 or 3 times around the arena) before I could get my balance back. Some horses were worse than others. So I started doing all my warmup trotting on serpentines - usually 3 or 4 loops, but some loops will be shallower to avoid other horses. It might also be a good idea to throw in a complete circle to your bad direction occassionally, so it gets a teeny bit more work than the good direction.

    Another good leg strenghtener is standing in the stirrups (while walking, but you can graduate to trot or even canter). Use a neck strap (or grab mane if it's long enough) if you need help staying balanced. Once you get the hang of it, there are a few "exercises" you can do. One is to raise your outside hand straight up and stretch (all the way from toes to fingertips). This is especially good for your bad side. The other (both hands down now, lol) is to shift you weight (don't lean just shift weight). Walk 2 or 3 steps w/ your weight in the left stirrup, then center (2 or 3 strides again), then right (you guessed it - for 2 or 3 strides). Switch to right, center, left. Sounds easy, but it's not!

  • 01-02-2012 8:02 AM In reply to

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    Are you by any chance overposting to make up for any lack in momentum from the horses you are riding?  I always had issues with my left diagonal when I was riding horses and found out that I had gotten in such a habit of riding lazy school horses (and my own) that I was overposting and that was the major issue for me.  Once my trainer figured it out and got me to get my horse to move out the problem went away fairly quickly, but it comes right back if my horse isn't using himself (granted I also learned not to overpost because the first time my horse used himself and engaged his hindquarters I also over posted and got launched right up onto his shoulder so it was a pretty sharp wakeup call).  I've found that the more engaged my horse is the easier it is for me to get my diagonals and the more comfortable they feel.


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